Airport CEO Alpha 33 released (The Big Bird Update)

Both are probably subject to the upcoming path finding changes (these will begin internal testing today).

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I’m super impressed of developers already some stuff is already done for Alpha 34! I’m super impressed, big thank you! you’re doing incredible things in such short time periods. Surely we’ll never get bored of playing Airport CEO :wink::+1:t4::smile:

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Hopefully we’ll get with overhaul of airport systems new job : Air Traffic Controller and maybe overhauled ATC buildings with new radars weather stations and other fun stuff (maybe in Alpha 36)

The new path-finding system is now being tested on the internal branch, if you’re having issues with stalled or stuck passengers and employees drop me a PM and I’ll invite you! :slight_smile:

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Chiming in on the baggage claim discussion, here in the United States I have never seen baggage claim in a secure area, or even a passenger only area. Typically people who are at the airport to pick someone up will wait at baggage claim. I’ve never flown internationally so I can’t speak on that.

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At my airport typically what happens is people claim their bags at a special baggage claim after the passport and declaration inspection (this is U.S. and international flights) in a secure area separated from all domestic flights by doors at the jet bridge. If they’re not inspected, they can either walk with their bags to the exits or put them on a belt to be taken to the usual non-secure claim area where bags from domestic flights are sent. I usually opt to just walk with my bags as it saves time leaving the airport.

I really hope the pathing issue is solved where service vehicles and planes get to the stand much much quicker. The main reason my planes are delayed is because service vehicles and planes take their good ol’time even though it looks like get r rushing there. Another issue is with the luggage trucks. There should be two per medium stand and two per large stand. So that az soon as one has taken luggages from the plane, the other is putting luggages in

In Europe, I have never seen a baggage claim area where non passengers have access to. Actually, not even in LAX or JFK, but anyway, the point should be: who cares! and give the player the freedom to have a baggage claim in a “secure” area(with one-way doors) or in a public area.

I also see a lot of pointless bug reports coming due to player mistakes when one-way doors will come into the game :smile:

Doesn’t it already work this way? Maybe not with more than 1 truck assigned to the same place, but to 2 different places. While I didn’t test it yet on medium and large stands, as I’ve recently restarted my non-sandbox game and I’m still building up money on small planes for now to expand to medium, when you assign 1 baggage cart to a stand and a few to a parking lot next to baggage bay, the cart assigned to the stand will take the unloaded baggage and one of the carts from the parking lot will get baggage from the baggage bay to load to that plane. I saw a couple of times that the cart with departing baggage is waiting at the stand for the cart with arriving baggage to leave the stand, so it’s like there were actually 2 baggage carts right there.

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Do we know when we might get the A350 and other big birds since I am really looking forward to them

We don’t. We just know they’ll probably come eventually. Rubble made some comments about a 747 in the works. About the A350, It is quite high on the wish-list of a lot of players, check this topic .

So if the Devs take that into account it might become a higher priority. But at the same time, There are big birds now, and they said they are focusing on the gameplay. You just never no when a new plane will land on your runway…

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AFAIK there are two kinds of people in ACEO: those who work there and passengers. So everything is a passenger only zone right now (if you allow also workers and employees here).

I always wondered why in Frankfurt, a passenger leaves the secure zone, walk through the normal area with all the homeless people and then go down to the baggage claims without any check. Yes there’s a sign saying its not allowed, but no check I’m aware of. Everyone could go down, pick up the bag with the drugs and try to pass it through customs…:no_mouth:

In TXL, the pickup is in the secure zone.

Both airports are in Germany, so I assume there is no regulation by law for that in the EU.

In Frankfurt this is only @ Terminal 1 B. All other (A, C, and all Bus arrivals) are direct connected.

Terminal Plan Frankfurt

I remember and it looks on this plan like the baggage pick ups for terminal 1 A, B and C are on level one, and the only escalator to this is in the no-secure area.
Don’t know about Terminal 2

Last post to this discussion.

This escalator you mean on the plan is the access to floor 2, where are shops and travel offices and so on.

Believe me, I flow a lot of times from Frankfurt. Only this exit from B is “unsecured”. All other has direct secured connection.

I will check tomorrow.

Anyway, it does not change my point: even on the same airport you have pick up in non-secure and secure area.

In all European airports I’ve visited, the baggage claim is after the security exit and in case of non-Shengen flights after the passport control. But the area is protected by the customs. So nobody from the arrival area can get in. That’s the missing part but as Olof mentioned, planned to be implemented somewhen.

I’ve never visited an European airport which only provides domestic flights, there it might be in public area. Like in the US domestic terminals. (I only know DFW and SFO where it is fully in a public area)

Finally someone who seems to know what he’s talking about. Absolutely correct. If there is a restricted area with “one-way doors” securing some domestic-only baggage claim areas it has mostly practical reasons to reduce the likelihood of baggage theft for instance but it’s a design issue not a legal. This applies to the majority of countries so that’s how it should work in ACEO in my opinion. That means it’s up to us to “secure” domestic baggage claim areas once we get one-way doors or not. Intl works just as mentioned above.

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Based on my experience, let’s try to explain why everyone is writing different stuff about this.
Simply because there are several different variants which are all correct and it will be a challenge to solve in a game.

Below there is definitive not every existing layout documented.

If we talk in game language and call it “Zones”, I define the following zones:

Zone 0: Public area (Today available in ACEO)
Zone 1: Customs area
Zone 2: Security Zone (Today available in ACEO)
Zone 3: Intl. Security Zone
Zone 4: Staff only (Today available in ACEO)


Modern Shengen/EU/EWR airports:
Departure:

  1. Check In
  2. Ticket control (by a scanner)
  3. Hand luggage check
  4. Arrived in “Zone 2”
  5. Can access “Zone 2” gates / Or can go ahead to passport control to access “Zone 3”.

Arrival:

  1. International arrival are in “Zone 3”. Separate floor.
  2. In case of transfer: additional hand luggage check before go ahead to passport control or next gate zone
  3. Passport control to enter “Zone 2” or “Zone 3” → access to connection flights or go to exit
  4. Security Exit Doors to “Zone 1”
  5. Baggage claim area “Zone 1”
  6. Customs Check (Green way/Red way)
  7. Public area “Zone 0”

(Examples I Know: FRA, MUC, BIO, AMS, ZRH, KRK, CPH)


Less modernized Shengen/EU/EWR airports or alternative terminal entrances/exits:
International “Zone 3” can skip “Zone 2” and can be directly accessed by the public area and has a direct access or separate passport control, hand luggage check and baggage claim.
(Example I know: BIO)


International Airports based on my knowlede of USA, MEX, PRC, SGP, DOM, JAM, UAE,…
Departure:

  1. Check In
  2. Ticket control (mostly done by a person)
  3. Passport control
  4. Hand luggage check
  5. Arrived in “Zone 3”
  6. Can access “Zone 3” gates

Arrival: (Separated from departure)

  1. International arrival are in “Zone 3”.
  2. Passport control → entering “Zone 1”
  3. Baggage claim area “Zone 1”
  4. Customs Check
  5. Public area “Zone 0”

(Examples I Know: DFW, PVG, LCY, DUB, EDI, HEX, MBJ, MIA, DXB,…)


Unless I’ve travelled to Singapore Changi SIN, I’ve always thought that mixed up departure/arrival is a Shengen/EU/EWR thing. But there, arrivals are immediately in the intl. departure area.

Departure:

  1. Check In
  2. Ticket control (mostly done by a person)
  3. Passport control
  4. Arrived in “Zone 3”
  5. Hand luggage check just befoe enter gate

Arrival:

  1. International arrival are in “Zone 3” with direct access to departures
  2. Passport control to enter “Zone 1” Baggage claim
  3. Baggage claim area “Zone 1”
  4. Customs Check
  5. Public area “Zone 0”

If too unclear, I will draw flowcharts. :smiley:

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Been to SIN and would be interested to know what you mean with intl arrivals with access to departure, cause all countries I’m familiar with arriving passengers have to be seperated from departing passengers for international flights due to customs etc.